What if a person is trying to control porn addiction and masturbation addiction? And someone says, "If you can quit your addiction, you'll become a CHAD!" NO FAP app does the same. It counts no fap days and gives different badges accordingly.
This app promotes the unfounded misconception that masturbation is bad.
One of its 3 reviews in the Play Store reads ”using this app, I stopped masturbating for 100 days.” If I'm not mistaken, the app was released 3 days ago. With that in mind, I find it hard to believe that this unbiased user, who is totally not the maker or a friend of his, has been using it for 100+ days.
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DestMateMaker
@anna_0x Masturbation is not bad, but getting addicted to it is bad
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DestMateMaker
@anna_0x And about the "100-day" review, one of my friends did that (Maybe sarcastically, or maybe he thought of helping me by giving it a good review). I told him to delete that.
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Brutal Teardowns@anna_0x While I don't personally adhere to their philosophy, It's hard to ignore the size of the nofap community, who are no doubt bursting in their need for an app like this. It would be quite a coup to be the go-to app for a community of that size.
Personally, I find it hard to find their views offensive - to me, it doesn't seem like they're trying be sex negative so much as they're seeking to apply discipline to their lives to reap some potential benefits, real or imagined.
Though size of community is hardly an argument when it's built my misinformation, and I understand your point about perpetuating negative attitudes about masturbation, particularly as we move towards a more sex-positive culture. I guess to some degree we have to ironically respect the notion that we live in a society where people can publicly discuss their masturbation habits, or lack thereof.
I'd love to see more formal research on the benefits, and those weighted against the possible negatives. Having done a quick google, the main one I see referenced is the same Universal Science 2003 Article ([A research on the relationship between ejaculation and serum testosterone level in men](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...))
@noob_dev You might consider looking at something like Leangains.com (particularly old archive.org versions of the site) and how he built his community around Intermittent fasting by collating all the research on the topic and providing evidence-based claims long before IF was readily accepted by fitness communities. He has like 600+ people on patreon paying ~$10/mo now to follow along.
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@anna_0x Hi, Anna.
The developer/creator's mission is to help millions of people all over the Internet who are suffering from a serious addiction with a very simply tracker. If you've ever heard of websites like 4chan or reddit, you might know that you can easily find hundreds of so-called boards over there, in which people discuss nothing other than their porn fantasies and how they masturbate in their lucid dreams while masturbating in reality uncontrollably, all while sleeping. If you want to find the cause, there are as many stories as there are people using those online boards. You have absolutely no clue of the examples people are going through.
The younger male generations almost never consider visiting doctors for these types of issues and only turn to those exact online places, in which they communicate through memes, ridiculous stories, and other forms of online communication just to find someone who understands them.
Please have understanding for this sort of app, which I think is genuninely helpful, given the memes used in it to praise the user's achievements, and don't spread this sort of irrational negativity. The arguments you're attempting to provide are completely pointless and hurtful. Thanks.
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@rossdcurrie thanks for the thoughtful, civilized comment. I don‘t disagree at all. Everyone can choose to do (or not do) whatever they want, as long as they don’t harm others.
“Though size of community is hardly an argument when it's built my misinformation, and I understand your point about perpetuating negative attitudes about masturbation, particularly as we move towards a more sex-positive culture.”
My issue with the specific app (and what I consider to be a substantial part of the No Fap community) is that it glorifies (perhaps jokingly, but still) abstinence from masturbation. It promotes the idea that the less you masturbate → the more attractive/strong/admirable you become (the badges for long streaks in the app are images of progressively more muscular men, and if you have no streak you’re a “clown”).
I have nothing against people who for whatever reason or lack thereof choose to not masturbate and even encourage others to do the same. But saying or implying that masturbation is a bad thing in general is the wrong way to do it.
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DestMateMaker
• Do you want to quit the porn addiction which is affecting your life?
• Are you tired of constant relapses and struggle to maintain a good streak?
• Are you someone who is looking for improvement in every aspect of life?
If yes, then NO FAP is for you.
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Product Hunt Launch Checklist@noob_dev Congrats on the launch. I tried No Fap challenge once and habit grew to 3x as compared to early days. Then I stopped it. And it reduced again.
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DestMateMaker
@falak_sher oops!
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@noob_dev your second paragraph (screenshot above) seems to be particularly specific young man.
Perhaps building an uninformed app —that doesn’t really do anything — will not actually help.. you maybe?
I hope you allow yourself to grow without too many mental constraints and poorly informed assumptions about men/women’s health (of any orientation), who seems oddly all well excluded here from your views on “addiction”.
And while you yourself heal and grow, try to remember that there may be other young and vulnerable minds who could end up believing that their ever developing volition is wrong, or bad, or undesirable, and that can be a very harmful thing to cause others.
If it’s just intended as a joke, then on top of being concerned about you, I’d also be disappointed that you couldn’t do any better than “fap”, “chad”, “noob” and a clown.
Be free. Help others.
You definitely can, if you want to.
Do better young brother.
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DestMateMaker
@lyondhur Thanks! I'll try to do better. And, these jokes (Fap, Clown, Chad) are given intentionally because of the meme culture. People get attracted to these easily.
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This app are awesome..it helps to quit masterbution..
Coz masterbution has many bad effect like hair shedding, ugly face, it also effect testosterone hormone
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DestMateMaker
@jahid_hasan_shovon Yes, thanks
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I truly hope that @jahid_hasan_shovon is either a troll or an alternate account of the maker.
For the sake of clueless teenagers stumbling upon this post, allow me to set the record straight:
Masturbation does NOT, I repeat: does NOT, make you ugly, bald, blind, low in testosterone or really any other negative thing.
It's not a bad thing at all.
That said, one can get addicted to good things too (food, exercise etc.) so I guess getting addicted to masturbation is possible — but that does not make masturbation itself a bad thing!
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Songbox@jahid_hasan_shovon
This is absolute nonsense!
I hate the world these days. What the hell happened to things like facts?
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DestMateMaker
Let's get the debate to one thread, please?
First of all, I'm sorry, I didn't know about the real fact about masturbation. And I believed in the myths about masturbation. I'm sorry for that. Yeah, masturbation is good for relaxation.
But, talking about addiction is never a good thing. I know people addicted to masturbation and porn who masturbate while fantasizing about their family members, school teachers, friends. Sometimes this thing has the worst consequence imaginable. Maybe those people were not like that from the beginning. They become that by getting addicted to masturbating day after day. So, if anyone thinks he/she is getting addicted in the same way, they can use this app (actually, they need to see a psychologist).
So, if anyone wants to "Quit Addiction", they can use the app. And I've written the same in my apps’ Play Store title & here.
Talking about the upvotes, none of these are paid or my friends. I don't know any of them. Stop questioning about this. If you don't like this app, it doesn't mean others can't. There are similar apps on the play store which get million+ of downloads. So, people need it. Maybe they can't speak out about the problem they are facing, that's why they are installing. Don't make it a stereotype by questioning. Moreover, there are lots of stereotypes related to this topic (even I didn't know about the facts because of stereotypes. Thanks to you all, now I know.)
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Ok, let's have a review of all this:
1. Yes one can get addicted to masturbation, just like you can get obsessive/addicted to pretty much anything
2. Building a product that's way to simplistic can actually hurt someone with genuine addiction as it promotes the idea - hey, beating addiction is easy. It's not. One of the most effective methods (don't know how applicable it is for porn/masturbation/sex addiction) is being "eased off of it" in controlled settings like they do with H addicts in Switzerland by VERY slowly giving them less product, which is clean and free, while they have to stay on premises + helping them get a job.
- maybe you android app/web app that turns servers porn from really your favorite genres to more amateur porn, than slowly switches to educational porn, then to single pictures than to well written novels, then to dating sites education how to be better person, how to love yourself first, teaching you about accepting therapy, and connecting you with experts (all while SERVING you the data, each time you ask for it so it's more controlled environment) - this is really basic, and I don't know what "less addictive porn" would look like, but it's certainly better idea than this: "Hey beating addiction is easy" type of thing.
3. the marketing/description of this app is worse than the idea. It literally will shame the users. It sound good on surface, but will actually turn off people from getting help/trying to hep themselves.
4. If you make something simplistic maybe something that's general habit minder would be better.
Or if you really want to make it specifically about porn/masturbation/sex addiction you should periodically feed good articles, point to experts, etc. to users to break that habit. I'm sure it's all out there. I mean even PH has sex ed section, they literally have the article "Understanding Sex Addiction" & "Q&A With Dr. Laurie: How Much Is Too Much?". And that's PH we're talking about.
Why? Because habit minders don't actually work for that well for addictions, so if someone is adamant about not getting help and "dammit, I'm not going to doctor I do it myself", maybe a well thought out habit minder that slowly turns their mind to therapy like with articles above, those are well written by actual sexologists, is actually the perfect thing you should do with your app since it's not as hard as #2.
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Fly or NotJust at the right time. Thanks. Don't listen to these people, good or bad, it's our personal choice to stop masturbation and many people need this. You don't need to please these people who talk as if they know every effect of masturbation.
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DestMateMaker
@dexbyte Thanks
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