nenspace. an extended mind, not a second brain: your own, made larger. the lo-fi of LLMs fused with the one space that catches your thoughts and cultivates them: working memory, tasks, notes, habits, logbook. AI-fused, but not forced. your head holds about four things. nenspace holds the rest. free to start · web + ios
Most LLMs are trained to agree with you (RLHF). Ask one if a bad idea is good and it’ll lean towards yes, taking multiple paragraphs to do so. I wanted a model that questions my assumptions, pushes back when it matters, and stays quiet when it doesn’t. That became nen-1. A fine-tuned model trained to be concise and question assumptions, instead of padded and flattering.
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NEN MODEL's: nen-1, nen-2, & nen-alia 🍃
• trained differently to frontier models: a refusal of the axis everyone else maximises • web search optimised for register and user absorption • models integrated into notes pages and logbook, so you can query nen-1 about your notes or search the web without leaving the page • composer (⌘+K) for seamless discussion with nen model's, from any page
capture & sift: • a thought arrives at the wrong time…walking, cooking, mid-task • capture it in working-memory (not every idea needs to become a “thing” immediately) • when you get some time, press sift to read the pile of captured notes, thoughts, ideas, and a place is proposed for each: a task, a note, a habit, a space…or simply set it down for later • nothing moves without an ok, everything is recoverable
A brain does two things: it remembers and it thinks. Every app that calls itself a “second brain” only does the first and leaves you to do the filing. Every LLM does the second but it thinks for you, and is trained to agree with you. You're outsourcing your thinking. The purpose of AI does not have to be thinking for you, but to return you to your own thinking.
I’d love feedback, especially on the models but also what you'd like to see in the /space side as well!
Peace & love 🌍 🫶
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@samsmallmind, I’m a huge fan of the distinct brand identity!
I’ve spent a lot of time customizing harnesses, memory systems, and workflows for long running powerful agents that handle every kind of work task.
In that process, I’ve stopped having the kind of interactions that first opened my eyes to the potential of generative intelligence. I don’t have anywhere to direct the interactions that spark the most joy. My custom system feels too powerful and a basic chat app/subscription seems lacking.
This is very cool and fills a gap that’s been driving me nuts. Downloading and trying out now.
Congrats on the launch!
@whyyasgwhy thanks Yagna! I hope this fills the gap - drop a comment on which model resonates the most! I recommend trying a variety of queries and back and forths (they aren't designed for one-shot answers typically). Anything from dilemmas you're having or simpy start a convo...dialogue and a few back and forths should take you somewhere :)
Keep me in the loop on how you find it!
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Cool idea, I would like to test it, but the sign-up code comes as an 8-digit code instead of a 6-digit code, and I cannot log in 🌝
@oleg_lavrynenko sorted! thanks for flagging - let me know how you find it once you're in!
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Congratulations on the launch! This is a great and important direction. General-purpose AIs make people less intelligent, ask too few questions, and generally don’t voice their doubts.
nenspace
Hey Product Hunt, I’m Sam 👋
Most LLMs are trained to agree with you (RLHF). Ask one if a bad idea is good and it’ll lean towards yes, taking multiple paragraphs to do so. I wanted a model that questions my assumptions, pushes back when it matters, and stays quiet when it doesn’t. That became nen-1. A fine-tuned model trained to be concise and question assumptions, instead of padded and flattering.
(note: get one month of Nen Pro for free! reminder email 5 days before billing)
NEN MODEL's: nen-1, nen-2, & nen-alia 🍃
• trained differently to frontier models: a refusal of the axis everyone else maximises
• web search optimised for register and user absorption
• models integrated into notes pages and logbook, so you can query nen-1 about your notes or search the web without leaving the page
• composer (⌘+K) for seamless discussion with nen model's, from any page
SPACE: tasks · notes · logbook · habits · memory 🌍
capture & sift:
• a thought arrives at the wrong time…walking, cooking, mid-task
• capture it in working-memory (not every idea needs to become a “thing” immediately)
• when you get some time, press sift to read the pile of captured notes, thoughts, ideas, and a place is proposed for each: a task, a note, a habit, a space…or simply set it down for later
• nothing moves without an ok, everything is recoverable
A brain does two things: it remembers and it thinks. Every app that calls itself a “second brain” only does the first and leaves you to do the filing. Every LLM does the second but it thinks for you, and is trained to agree with you. You're outsourcing your thinking. The purpose of AI does not have to be thinking for you, but to return you to your own thinking.
I’d love feedback, especially on the models but also what you'd like to see in the /space side as well!
Peace & love 🌍 🫶
nenspace
@whyyasgwhy thanks Yagna! I hope this fills the gap - drop a comment on which model resonates the most! I recommend trying a variety of queries and back and forths (they aren't designed for one-shot answers typically). Anything from dilemmas you're having or simpy start a convo...dialogue and a few back and forths should take you somewhere :)
Keep me in the loop on how you find it!
Cool idea, I would like to test it, but the sign-up code comes as an 8-digit code instead of a 6-digit code, and I cannot log in 🌝
nenspace
@oleg_lavrynenko sorted! thanks for flagging - let me know how you find it once you're in!
Congratulations on the launch! This is a great and important direction. General-purpose AIs make people less intelligent, ask too few questions, and generally don’t voice their doubts.
Looks super interesting! All the best!
nenspace
@preetmishra thanks Preet! let me know which model resonates the most